School of Mathematical and Statistical Sciences


Job search I

Minutes prepared by Matthias Kawski

Meeting of Fri Sept 1, 2006.
Faculty present: Anne Gelb, and Matthias Kawski.
Students present: not available

  • Part I: Overview of the Job-market.
    Lots of data available at the American Math Society. Every year, the August issue of the AMS Notices features the Annual Survey of the Mathematical Sciences.
    This includes number of Ph.D.s awarded (roughly 1000 / year, but varying up to 20% over a few years, employment data (about 95% get employed, not necessarily in dream position), demographics (50% US citizens), gender, by area (20 in Math ED, 100some in Algebra etc.), salaries, and on and on.
    Many tables distinguish group I, II, III etc. schools -- explained in a side-bar of every year's article. These are based on old, circumspect rankings which are kind of fun to look at ...

  • Part II: Job advertisements and time-line.
    • Great resources at the AMS EIMS, e.g. Advice for new Ph.D.'s, including the classic "The Academic Job Search Handbook" by Thomas Rishel (required reading for our seminar).
    • The up-and-coming brandnew site mathjobs.org looks very promising. It still looks fairly empty, but promises to be THE place where to look for ads in the future.
      A great improvement over the recent EIMS (Employment Information in the Mathematical Sciences) www-site which was not that great to search. Math jobs actually handles much of the paperwork for both job applicant and job advertiser. Make sure to watch 9 minute video explaining how things work.
    • Quick count of the number of pages w/ job advertisments in each month's issue of the AMS Notices. Some late spring month almost devoid of ads (less than 2 pages), but more than a dozen pages in the November/December issues.
      Discussion of academic side: when do departments request jobs, when do administrators approve advertising ...
    • Note deadlines, now often in the fall. Dec.1 quite common, some even earlier. Incomplete applications on deadline may just be thrown away -- need to start early! Allow MORE than just one month to get reference letters in, i.e. September this year is time getting the LAST things done for a job starting in the fall NEXT year!
    • Postdocs versus tenure track positions: Traditionally in the physical sciences vast majority of Ph.D's takes postdocs first. In math, traditionally very few postdocs, but recently these have become muchmore prevalent. Exact numbers were unclear. Much difference between, e.g., computational math (common) and, e.g., statistics (hot job market, no need for postdocs).
      Rationale behind postdocs: academic side (probationary time, no commitment), scholar (get papers published), ... responsibilities (to teach, or not to teach?)

  • Part III: Looking at job-ads.
    • Very careful, very deliberate wording -- important intentions behind most every word, polished over the years to permit flexibility while targeting specific groups of applicants.
      Commonly search committees have "check-off" lists that verify that each application indeed satisfies all requirements. At public universities like ASU commonly very strict rules for "getting an applicant pool approved". Make sure that your cover-letter and resume EXPLICITLY address each required/desired item.
    • Common requirements: AMS cover sheet (uniform format of basic biographical data), cover letter (to be discussed in next meetings), curriculum vitae (resume) (homework, and next meeting), research agenda / statement (homework, and next meeting), and teaching statement (very hard to write, and delicate, to be addressed in later PFF meeting), at least 3 reference letters.
    • Start of discussion of what is supposed to be on each of these times, how detailed, what not to include, etc. Distributed sample CV by Dr. Gelb from the time she applied at ASU. This is to be continued.

  • Homework.
    • Prepare a curriculum vitae suitable for math-job application.
      Feel free to ``invent'' items that you plan to have on the CV by the time you apply (i.e. put some pressure on yourself to make these items from dreams into reality -- but don't submit lies when you apply!).
    • Draft a research agenda (or research statement) suitable to be included in a math-job application.
    • Most likely, when preparing these, you will run into questions -- these shall be addressed ta the next regular meeting. You are encouraged to prepare an overhead transparency of either of your products to facilitate discussion of related questions by the entire group.

  • Next meeting: PFF Fall Reception: Thu Sep 7 2006, 4:00-6:00 p.m. in the MU: Union Stage, Lower Level

    Next regular meeting: Fri Sep 15th, 12:00 - 1:30, GWC 604. TBD: ``Job search II'' or ``math faculty responsibilities at ASU.